A Trip to TikTok, ChatGPT’s Origin Story and Kevin Systrom’s Comeback

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Hosted by Kevin Roose and Casey Newton

Produced by Davis Land

Edited by Paula Szuchman

Engineered by Alyssa Moxley

Original music by Dan Powell, Elisheba Ittoop, Marion Lozano, Sophia Lanman and Rowan Niemisto

TikTok is opening up a “Transparency and Accountability Center” to try to win over skeptics. Is the company’s strategy working? Then, the origin story of OpenAI’s ChatGPT and how the company kicked off an A.I. arms race.

Plus: The co-founder of Instagram, Kevin Systrom, hopes to make a “TikTok for text.”

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On today’s episode:

  • Kevin Systrom is an entrepreneur and the co-founder of Instagram.

Additional reading:

  • TikTok is taking a more aggressive approach toward lobbying.

  • Inside OpenAI’s race to build ChatGPT.

  • Kevin Systrom is starting a new A.I.-powered news app.


“Hard Fork” is hosted by Kevin Roose and Casey Newton and produced by Davis Land. The show is edited by Paula Szuchman. Engineering by Alyssa Moxley and original music by Dan Powell, Elisheba Ittoop, Marion Lozano, Sophia Lanman and Rowan Niemisto. Fact-checking by Caitlin Love.

Special thanks to Hanna Ingber, Nell Gallogly, Kate LoPresti and Jeffrey Miranda.

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